2021 Roster Discussion



Anyone have a thought as to who is most likely to step up their game in the stretch?

I know it's not QUITE what you mean but my candidate is Tayvon Gray.
I think he steps up in terms of his ability replacing Tinnerholm, and I'm hoping he makes some plays that give the whole team a boost of energy.

I think there's a lot to be said for generating some buzz and momentum these last couple of games and carrying them into the playoffs.

All it takes is one game. The Red Sox came into the playoffs limping last night against the Yankees, and now they're abuzz with confidence....who's to say the same can't happen to this team?
 
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It's about time people started to have a little more optimism rather than pessimism. Yeah, we are playing badly now - but there was a period of the season where we were doing very well. If we can re-find that form going into the playoffs, we have a good shot. Best we can do from a fan standpoint is go out and support our boys in blue on matchdays which'll actually be at yankee stadium!
 
It's about time people started to have a little more optimism rather than pessimism. Yeah, we are playing badly now - but there was a period of the season where we were doing very well. If we can re-find that form going into the playoffs, we have a good shot. Best we can do from a fan standpoint is go out and support our boys in blue on matchdays which'll actually be at yankee stadium!
This is a very good team that has been in a bad slump. It's been a very busy last week for me, so I still haven't been able to watch the Nashville game myself, but I'm very encouraged to hear that it sounds like this team was back to playing very well, even if it still ended in a 0-0 draw. Hopefully that will carry through these last few regular season matches and into the playoffs.
 
This is a very good team that has been in a bad slump. It's been a very busy last week for me, so I still haven't been able to watch the Nashville game myself, but I'm very encouraged to hear that it sounds like this team was back to playing very well, even if it still ended in a 0-0 draw. Hopefully that will carry through these last few regular season matches and into the playoffs.
When you get around to watching it you might spend the first 50-60 minutes wondering why anyone thinks we played better.
 
It's about time people started to have a little more optimism rather than pessimism. Yeah, we are playing badly now - but there was a period of the season where we were doing very well. If we can re-find that form going into the playoffs, we have a good shot. Best we can do from a fan standpoint is go out and support our boys in blue on matchdays which'll actually be at yankee stadium!
Tough to feel that way. This team doesn’t play in a vacuum. There are half a dozen teams that are easily better than us right now talent wise. And a handful of squads that are hitting their stride, specifically Atlanta
 
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Tough to feel that way. This team doesn’t play in a vacuum. There are half a dozen teams that are easily better than us right now talent wise. And a handful of squads that are hitting their stride, specifically Atlanta
What's to say we won't "hit our stride" as well? There are 6 games left, three at home. If we get nice crowds (Two weekend games plus one weekday, but all at YS) it could rejuvinate this team going into the playoffs. Those half dozen teams that are "easily better" were not "easily better" earlier in the season when we were having these discussions, so obviously it's a matter of relativity.
 
When you get around to watching it you might spend the first 50-60 minutes wondering why anyone thinks we played better.

exactly. Look around the conference - who would you take NYCFC to best right now?

Revs? Hahahhahahah
Nashville? Two tries, not even close
Atlanta? Maybe if Josef is out but a full strength Atlanta, nope
DCU? Finding their stride now, nope
Orlando? Yes they battered O2 earlier this year but now Orlando is healthy and has Dike scoring
Philly? Also finding their stride
Montreal? Much improved since NYCFC beat them earlier this year

i can’t see based on how they have played the last eight games how you’d expect them to beat any playoff team. An offense that can’t score and a D that makes many mistakes is only going to lead you to the basement, folks.
 
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This is a very good team that has been in a bad slump. It's been a very busy last week for me, so I still haven't been able to watch the Nashville game myself, but I'm very encouraged to hear that it sounds like this team was back to playing very well, even if it still ended in a 0-0 draw. Hopefully that will carry through these last few regular season matches and into the playoffs.

13 games is almost 40% of the season. They have won three out of 13 games in August and September.

A slump is a good team like Seattle going 2-2-2 over six games, not 40% of the season.
 
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exactly. Look around the conference - who would you take NYCFC to best right now?

Revs? Hahahhahahah
Nashville? Two tries, not even close
Atlanta? Maybe if Josef is out but a full strength Atlanta, nope
DCU? Finding their stride now, nope
Orlando? Yes they battered O2 earlier this year but now Orlando is healthy and has Dike scoring
Philly? Also finding their stride
Montreal? Much improved since NYCFC beat them earlier this year

i can’t see based on how they have played the last eight games how you’d expect them to beat any playoff team. An offense that can’t score and a D that makes many mistakes is only going to lead you to the basement, folks.
Characterizing Nashville as “not even Close” is just counterfactual. We were more than close on Sunday. We out created and outplayed them but just didn’t finish. They created a single chance. Maybe two. I assure you that no Nashville fan would say we were “not even close.”

You may be right about all of the others but saying things like this doesn’t exactly help prove your point.
 
Characterizing Nashville as “not even Close” is just counterfactual. We were more than close on Sunday. We out created and outplayed them but just didn’t finish. They created a single chance. Maybe two. I assure you that no Nashville fan would say we were “not even close.”

You may be right about all of the others but saying things like this doesn’t exactly help prove your point.

“We outcreated and outplayed them but didn’t finish” has been a theme with NYCFC this entire year. At some point your finishing needs to catch up to your chance creation or you are a bad team. And considering they haven’t scored a goal in 3.5 games, “outcreating and outplaying” rings hollow. This is a pattern.

good teams find ways to win even if they lose the vaunted xG battle, not use it an excuse “hey we’re a good team even if our record is mediocre.” Enough already.
 
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exactly. Look around the conference - who would you take NYCFC to best right now?

Revs? Hahahhahahah
Nashville? Two tries, not even close
Atlanta? Maybe if Josef is out but a full strength Atlanta, nope
DCU? Finding their stride now, nope
Orlando? Yes they battered O2 earlier this year but now Orlando is healthy and has Dike scoring
Philly? Also finding their stride
Montreal? Much improved since NYCFC beat them earlier this year

i can’t see based on how they have played the last eight games how you’d expect them to beat any playoff team. An offense that can’t score and a D that makes many mistakes is only going to lead you to the basement, folks.
First, you clearly misunderstood my post. We played very well for the last third of the game, but not until then.
As for the rest of your post, this team has a well developed history of turning on a dime for both good and bad in completely unpredictable ways.

2016: 1.20 PPG over first 15 games, capped by a bad loss to RSL at home. I predicted no playoffs after the 14th game, and was hardly alone. Then they won 4 in a row to begin a 1.89 PPG run for the rest of the season and finished second.
2017: The team earned 5 points in 5 games ending May 31, dropping the PPG from 1.79 to 1.50. They then got 2.27 PPG over the next 11 games, raising the season PPG to 1.84. Then they earned just 1.22 over the final 9 and finished at 1.68.
2018: First 7 games 2.43 PPG. Next 8 games 1.38 PPG. Dome takes over and gets 2.50 PPG for six games, and the team sits at 2.05 for the year over 21 games. Then, collapse. They get just 1.00 PPG for the final 13 games.
2019: Continued struggle for 6 games with 0.83 PPG, then 2.10 for the final 28.
2020: First 13 games 1.31 PPG. Final 10 games 2.20 PPG.

Nobody predicted all, most, or even many of the turns above and generally instead we get tons of posts predicting the current good times or bad times are here to stay, and then they don't. Then everyone forgets the irrational exuberance or depression from just before the turn. After the fact, you can point to Lampard and Harrison coming off injury as the reason for 2016, and Heber for 2019. But nobody knew it at the time. And you can't even after-the-fact explain 2020, when the turn for the better came after losing the team's top 2 scorers over 2019-20.

I don't bet against streaks, and am loathe to predict when they end. I can't and won't say when or if NYCFC will suddenly start getting results. I kept thinking Dome's 19 game 2-season horror show had to end before it did because the team was better than that. But it kept going, until it didn't. Just like our current form cannot predict the next set of games, unless it does.
 
exactly. Look around the conference - who would you take NYCFC to best right now?

Revs? Hahahhahahah
Nashville? Two tries, not even close
Atlanta? Maybe if Josef is out but a full strength Atlanta, nope
DCU? Finding their stride now, nope
Orlando? Yes they battered O2 earlier this year but now Orlando is healthy and has Dike scoring
Philly? Also finding their stride
Montreal? Much improved since NYCFC beat them earlier this year

i can’t see based on how they have played the last eight games how you’d expect them to beat any playoff team. An offense that can’t score and a D that makes many mistakes is only going to lead you to the basement, folks.
Expecting to beat a team, can beat a team, and should beat a team are three completely different things. This team is absolutely capable of beating any of those in a one-off playoff. The only ones where I would go in expecting a loss would be to the Revs and at Nashville. The other road games would be toss ups and if they were home I'd expect wins.

The other problem with just stating simple items like above as arguments as to why this team would lose to any of those, is it high level summarizes quality of play based on a very broad sweep.

For example, I don't think I'd look at the below last 6 games as a team "hitting it's stride" when their three wins came all at home against bottom table teams.

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Nineteen games at 0.95 PPG, sandwiched by 21 games at 2.05 PPG and 28 games at 2.10 PPG say otherwise. Slumps can last at least 19 games.

to be fair that 19 game slump was the start of a new coaching change and losing a 20+ goal impact player.

this slump seems to have been caused by an international break that shuffled our backline and midfield, which couldn't be solved by our coach and/or players for whatever reason.
 
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to be fair that 19 game slump was the start of a new coaching change and losing a 20+ goal impact player.

this slump seems to have been caused by an international break that shuffled our backline and midfield, which couldn't be solved by our coach and/or players for whatever reason.
Explain to me why it is that you guys are using the "team coming out a slump" excuse on ALL the other teams coming out of slumps, but are putting blinders when it comes to the possibility that <shockingly> NYCFC might also be able to pull themselves out of a slump?

And fine, if you don't wanna call it a "slump" then we can call it a period of time where we've been bad. But all those teams have been bad and pulled themselves to playing well, so why not NYCFC? We're a good team, we have good players.

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As well, what Mark said. This team is known to randomly snap form.
 
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Explain to me why it is that you guys are using the "team coming out a slump" excuse on ALL the other teams coming out of slumps, but are putting blinders when it comes to the possibility that <shockingly> NYCFC might also be able to pull themselves out of a slump?

And fine, if you don't wanna call it a "slump" then we can call it a period of time where we've been bad. But all those teams have been bad and pulled themselves to playing well, so why not NYCFC? We're a good team, we have good players.

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As well, what Mark said. This team is known to randomly snap form.

i don't think I ever said the team had no chance of coming out of this slump. i thought they played pretty well against nashville considering it was the 4th game in 2 weeks and the poor performances in the 2 games prior to nashville.

I was simply pointing out the different scenarios. We can surely turn things around. Having YS back for 2 games will surely help with that.