2021 Roster Discussion
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Getting YS back might make the difference between making and missing playoffs. The RBA games have the attendance of a high school game and the atmosphere of a church lunch. Getting more fans back into the team's real home stadium should prod the guys on. I say that in light of the terrible derby game we played at YS, but I really do think it could get us a win vs DC or Philly where we'd probably draw or lose at RBA.
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Shwafta: the pessimism isn't so much the results themselves. Teams absolutely go through ups and downs during a long 30+ game season, and this season we've had a lot of challenges. We've had several international breaks that pulled almost all of our D line away, an inordinate number of suspensions, and a significant lack of a real home field. I also don't really count last season for Ronny, as it was the height of Covid and the season was practically cancelled. This is the first real season for him in MLS, and it always takes a while to adjust to the league for players/coaches who aren't from here.
The real disappointment for me is the complacency on the field and erosion of our team identity. Unlike seasons past, we don't seem to have a firebrand on the field who plays with passion and fire, who can rally the guys when we go down a goal and can give some guys a kick in the pants when they get complacent. We've also had a recent erosion of the team's identity as a short-passing, possession-based team in favor of long balls and high pressing. Viera built the identity and Dome pretty much kept it; I don't really know what Ronny's trying to do, it's frustrating to watch, and the results aren't there to justify it.
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Shwafta: the pessimism isn't so much the results themselves. Teams absolutely go through ups and downs during a long 30+ game season, and this season we've had a lot of challenges. We've had several international breaks that pulled almost all of our D line away, an inordinate number of suspensions, and a significant lack of a real home field. I also don't really count last season for Ronny, as it was the height of Covid and the season was practically cancelled. This is the first real season for him in MLS, and it always takes a while to adjust to the league for players/coaches who aren't from here.The real disappointment for me is the complacency on the field and erosion of our team identity. Unlike seasons past, we don't seem to have a firebrand on the field who plays with passion and fire, who can rally the guys when we go down a goal and can give some guys a kick in the pants when they get complacent. We've also had a recent erosion of the team's identity as a short-passing, possession-based team in favor of long balls and high pressing. Viera built the identity and Dome pretty much kept it; I don't really know what Ronny's trying to do, it's frustrating to watch, and the results aren't there to justify it.
I have to say I'll miss the RBA games a little. You could literally yell at the ref and be pretty confident he'd hear you. I started yelling at the opposing coaches every time they left the coach's box. I think I actually annoyed Smith last weekend.
You can still do that at Yankee Stadium...for a price
JFC. In the first 21 games of 2018 mostly coached by Vieira, when NYCFC got 2.05 PPG, Villa played 43 minutes per game and scored 0.42 goals per game. In the last 13 games of 2018 that started the Dome slump and the team made 1.00 PPG he played 65 minutes per game and scored 0.46 goals per game. Meanwhile, your other point seems to be that Torrent needed 25 games to implement his tweaks (Vieira needed less time for the team to figure out a complete play-from-the-back overhaul), and I don't think that actually makes the point you want it to make.
I'm tired of presenting facts and getting responses unconnected to reality. In the future, I'm just going to respond "You're wrong," and link to this post no matter what the topic is when this happens. It's too tiresome to have to do this over and over and over.
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What does Viera's time have to do with anything? You referred to the 2018-2019 slump, which I interpreted as the time under Dome after the honeymoon period ended. I don't give a rat's ass what the stats were. We barely won and a coaching change had a lot to do with it. Leading into 2019, we didn't have a striker to replace Villa and that had a lot to do with our form in the beginning of 2019 in addition to Dome still implementing his system and/or getting the players to truly buy in.
Not sure how you interpreted my second point the way you did. All I meant was that this current slump seemed to be due to inconsistent backline/midfield lineups that for whatever reason, that neither the coaching staff nor players could resolve to keep our performance levels high.
Lastly, I appreciate that you think my and other's posts here are unconnected to reality. We're all just too busy with our eye tests. There's no time for reality!
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We are a well constructed squad with a ton of talent and a generally attractive style, currently slumping, trending toward mediocre and arguably poorly managed. It’s a familiar situation for us but it’s not “bad” by any objective measurement.
Generally the definition of a bad team is losing more than you win or having a negative goal differential, often in combination with ugly football. We are not that. There are plenty of teams that fit the description. We are not one.
So by your logic Nashville is a bad team because they failed to score against us. Their record says otherwise. As, interestingly, does ours.
We are a well constructed squad with a ton of talent and a generally attractive style, currently slumping, trending toward mediocre and arguably poorly managed. It’s a familiar situation for us but it’s not “bad” by any objective measurement.
Generally the definition of a bad team is losing more than you win or having a negative goal differential, often in combination with ugly football. We are not that. There are plenty of teams that fit the description. We are not one.
Same, I yelled at Inter Miami's keeper Marsman for an entire half when I was behind the net. He actually responded to one of my inquiries when I was asking why he had such a weird number for a keeper, with an ominous shrug.
He's including Vieira's time, results, and David Villa availability to demonstrate that the lack of a striker perhaps didn't have as huge of an impact on that slump because over half of that slump, David Villa was in fact available, and even more available than he was for Vieira.
We can hit our stride and we’re still only the 4th or 5th most talented side in the East.
I don't have nor have I looked for a better stats source, but according to transfermarkt (and they may be incorrect), in 2018, Villa missed 7 games due to injury during Dome's tenure vs 3 games during Viera's. So at least according to transfermarkt, Villa was in fact less available for Dome.
David Villa - Injury history
This is the injury history of David Villa from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.
This is probably why I shouldn't say exactly what another poster meant, haha. At least in regards to the availability. I think the main point still stands, the slump period wasn't mostly trying to replace a 20 goal striker.I don't have nor have I looked for a better stats source, but according to transfermarkt (and they may be incorrect), in 2018, Villa missed 7 games due to injury during Dome's tenure vs 3 games during Viera's. So at least according to transfermarkt, Villa was in fact less available for Dome.
David Villa - Injury history
This is the injury history of David Villa from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.www.transfermarkt.us
The funny thing is, by lining up the games he missed under Dome and the games NYCFC played during his absence, NYCFC went 4 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw and scored 13 goals (1.857 ppg and 1.857 goals per game).
And actually, David Villa played more minutes under Dome Torrent in 2018 (1,131 minutes) than Patrick Vieira (880 minutes).
Fair point. I think that slump was more due to Dome trying to figure things out and establish his system/style than Villa's availability and playing. In my initial post, I listed Villa as a contributing factor especially going into 2019.
Then I guess that's a matter of opinion, though I think that this is not true. We'll find out heading into the playoffs as we play mostly playoff contender teams the rest of the way through!
We bought poorly and sold poorly.
We’re lucky that Taty has come good. He’s saved our hide and his ability to play almost 300 minutes a week is absurd.
What's the difference between buying good and getting lucky that a player we bought becomes good?
No difference. Eliminate luck from your vocabulary when it comes to scouting. Otherwise, eliminate the CFG scouting depetment
I'm confused by what you're saying here. Luck has a huge impact on whether scouted players will be good in a certain environment. Take Mitrita for example. He was pretty good when he was here, but then the virus hit and he wanted to be closer to home and in a country with easier entry/exit. You can't scout for that. Sometimes guys work out or don't work out and scouting has nothing to do with it. Personally, I think our scouts are some of the best in the league considering the consistency of the team in regular-season play the last six seasons.
Luck should have no impact. Luck is Sands getting injured.
Medina not living up to it. Pirlo not defending. That’s not luck. Thats recruitment.
Medina is slumping lately, but has been generally productive this season. Good thing we were patient with him and allowed him to develop. Pirlo wasn't here for what he would bring on the field. Right or wrong -- we all know why Pirlo, Lampard, and Villa were here in the first few years.
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