2021 Roster Discussion

[FredMertz]

I have to say I'll miss the RBA games a little. You could literally yell at the ref and be pretty confident he'd hear you. I started yelling at the opposing coaches every time they left the coach's box. I think I actually annoyed Smith last weekend.

 

[LionNYC]

I have to say I'll miss the RBA games a little. You could literally yell at the ref and be pretty confident he'd hear you. I started yelling at the opposing coaches every time they left the coach's box. I think I actually annoyed Smith last weekend.

You can still do that at Yankee Stadium...for a price

 

[mgarbowski]

to be fair that 19 game slump was the start of a new coaching change and losing a 20+ goal impact player.

this slump seems to have been caused by an international break that shuffled our backline and midfield, which couldn't be solved by our coach and/or players for whatever reason.

JFC. In the first 21 games of 2018 mostly coached by Vieira, when NYCFC got 2.05 PPG, Villa played 43 minutes per game and scored 0.42 goals per game. In the last 13 games of 2018 that started the Dome slump and the team made 1.00 PPG he played 65 minutes per game and scored 0.46 goals per game. Meanwhile, your other point seems to be that Torrent needed 25 games to implement his tweaks (Vieira needed less time for the team to figure out a complete play-from-the-back overhaul), and I don't think that actually makes the point you want it to make.

I'm tired of presenting facts and getting responses unconnected to reality. In the future, I'm just going to respond "You're wrong," and link to this post no matter what the topic is when this happens. It's too tiresome to have to do this over and over and over.

 

[moogoo]

JFC. In the first 19 games of 2018 mostly coached by Vieira, when NYCFC got 2.05 PPG, Villa played 43 minutes per game and scored 0.42 goals per game. In the last 13 games of 2018 that started the Dome slump and the team made 1.00 PPG he played 65 minutes per game and scored 0.46 goals per game. Meanwhile, your second point seems to be that Torrent needed 25 games to implement his tweaks (Vieira needed less time for the team to figure out a complete play-from-the-back overhaul), and I don't think that actually makes the point you think it does.

I'm tired of presenting facts and getting responses unconnected to reality. In the future, I'm just going to respond "You're wrong," and link to this post no matter what the topic is when this happens. It's too tiresome to have to do this over and over and over.

What does Viera's time have to do with anything? You referred to the 2018-2019 slump, which I interpreted as the time under Dome after the honeymoon period ended. I don't give a rat's ass what the stats were. We barely won and a coaching change had a lot to do with it. Leading into 2019, we didn't have a striker to replace Villa and that had a lot to do with our form in the beginning of 2019 in addition to Dome still implementing his system and/or getting the players to truly buy in.

Not sure how you interpreted my second point the way you did. All I meant was that this current slump seemed to be due to inconsistent backline/midfield lineups that for whatever reason, that neither the coaching staff nor players could resolve to keep our performance levels high.

Lastly, I appreciate that you think my and other's posts here are unconnected to reality. We're all just too busy with our eye tests. There's no time for reality!

 

[Revfugee]

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“We outcreated and outplayed them but didn’t finish” has been a theme with NYCFC this entire year. At some point your finishing needs to catch up to your chance creation or you are a bad team. And considering they haven’t scored a goal in 3.5 games, “outcreating and outplaying” rings hollow. This is a pattern.

good teams find ways to win even if they lose the vaunted xG battle, not use it an excuse “hey we’re a good team even if our record is mediocre.” Enough already.

So by your logic Nashville is a bad team because they failed to score against us. Their record says otherwise. As, interestingly, does ours.

We are a well constructed squad with a ton of talent and a generally attractive style, currently slumping, trending toward mediocre and arguably poorly managed. It’s a familiar situation for us but it’s not “bad” by any objective measurement.

Generally the definition of a bad team is losing more than you win or having a negative goal differential, often in combination with ugly football. We are not that. There are plenty of teams that fit the description. We are not one.

 

[Schwallacus]

I have to say I'll miss the RBA games a little. You could literally yell at the ref and be pretty confident he'd hear you. I started yelling at the opposing coaches every time they left the coach's box. I think I actually annoyed Smith last weekend.

Same, I yelled at Inter Miami's keeper Marsman for an entire half when I was behind the net. He actually responded to one of my inquiries when I was asking why he had such a weird number for a keeper, with an ominous shrug.

 

[SoupInNYC]

What does Viera's time have to do with anything? You referred to the 2018-2019 slump, which I interpreted as the time under Dome after the honeymoon period ended. I don't give a rat's ass what the stats were. We barely won and a coaching change had a lot to do with it. Leading into 2019, we didn't have a striker to replace Villa and that had a lot to do with our form in the beginning of 2019 in addition to Dome still implementing his system and/or getting the players to truly buy in.

He's including Vieira's time, results, and David Villa availability to demonstrate that the lack of a striker perhaps didn't have as huge of an impact on that slump because over half of that slump, David Villa was in fact available, and even more available than he was for Vieira.

 

[Kjbert]

What's to say we won't "hit our stride" as well? There are 6 games left, three at home. If we get nice crowds (Two weekend games plus one weekday, but all at YS) it could rejuvinate this team going into the playoffs. Those half dozen teams that are "easily better" were not "easily better" earlier in the season when we were having these discussions, so obviously it's a matter of relativity.

We can hit our stride and we’re still only the 4th or 5th most talented side in the East.

 

[moogoo]

He's including Vieira's time, results, and David Villa availability to demonstrate that the lack of a striker perhaps didn't have as huge of an impact on that slump because over half of that slump, David Villa was in fact available, and even more available than he was for Vieira.

I don't have nor have I looked for a better stats source, but according to transfermarkt (and they may be incorrect), in 2018, Villa missed 7 games due to injury during Dome's tenure vs 3 games during Viera's. So at least according to transfermarkt, Villa was in fact less available for Dome.

David Villa - Injury history

This is the injury history of David Villa from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.us

 

[SoupInNYC]

I don't have nor have I looked for a better stats source, but according to transfermarkt (and they may be incorrect), in 2018, Villa missed 7 games due to injury during Dome's tenure vs 3 games during Viera's. So at least according to transfermarkt, Villa was in fact less available for Dome.

David Villa - Injury history

This is the injury history of David Villa from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.us

This is probably why I shouldn't say exactly what another poster meant, haha. At least in regards to the availability. I think the main point still stands, the slump period wasn't mostly trying to replace a 20 goal striker.

The funny thing is, by lining up the games he missed under Dome and the games NYCFC played during his absence, NYCFC went 4 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw and scored 13 goals (1.857 ppg and 1.857 goals per game).

And actually, David Villa played more minutes under Dome Torrent in 2018 (1,131 minutes) than Patrick Vieira (880 minutes).

 

[moogoo]

This is probably why I shouldn't say exactly what another poster meant, haha. At least in regards to the availability. I think the main point still stands, the slump period wasn't mostly trying to replace a 20 goal striker.

The funny thing is, by lining up the games he missed under Dome and the games NYCFC played during his absence, NYCFC went 4 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw and scored 13 goals (1.857 ppg and 1.857 goals per game).

And actually, David Villa played more minutes under Dome Torrent in 2018 (1,131 minutes) than Patrick Vieira (880 minutes).

Fair point. I think that slump was more due to Dome trying to figure things out and establish his system/style than Villa's availability and playing. In my initial post, I listed Villa as a contributing factor especially going into 2019.

 

[Shwafta]

We can hit our stride and we’re still only the 4th or 5th most talented side in the East.

Then I guess that's a matter of opinion, though I think that this is not true. We'll find out heading into the playoffs as we play mostly playoff contender teams the rest of the way through!

 

[Kjbert]

Then I guess that's a matter of opinion, though I think that this is not true. We'll find out heading into the playoffs as we play mostly playoff contender teams the rest of the way through!

We bought poorly and sold poorly.

We’re lucky that Taty has come good. He’s saved our hide and his ability to play almost 300 minutes a week is absurd.

 

[SoupInNYC]

We bought poorly and sold poorly.

We’re lucky that Taty has come good. He’s saved our hide and his ability to play almost 300 minutes a week is absurd.

What's the difference between buying good and getting lucky that a player we bought becomes good?

 

[Kjbert]

What's the difference between buying good and getting lucky that a player we bought becomes good?

No difference. Eliminate luck from your vocabulary when it comes to scouting. Otherwise, eliminate the CFG scouting depetment

 

[ZYanksRule]

No difference. Eliminate luck from your vocabulary when it comes to scouting. Otherwise, eliminate the CFG scouting depetment

I'm confused by what you're saying here. Luck has a huge impact on whether scouted players will be good in a certain environment. Take Mitrita for example. He was pretty good when he was here, but then the virus hit and he wanted to be closer to home and in a country with easier entry/exit. You can't scout for that. Sometimes guys work out or don't work out and scouting has nothing to do with it. Personally, I think our scouts are some of the best in the league considering the consistency of the team in regular-season play the last six seasons.

 

[Kjbert]

I'm confused by what you're saying here. Luck has a huge impact on whether scouted players will be good in a certain environment. Take Mitrita for example. He was pretty good when he was here, but then the virus hit and he wanted to be closer to home and in a country with easier entry/exit. You can't scout for that. Sometimes guys work out or don't work out and scouting has nothing to do with it. Personally, I think our scouts are some of the best in the league considering the consistency of the team in regular-season play the last six seasons.

Luck should have no impact. Luck is Sands getting injured.
Medina not living up to it. Pirlo not defending. That’s not luck. Thats recruitment.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Luck should have no impact. Luck is Sands getting injured.
Medina not living up to it. Pirlo not defending. That’s not luck. Thats recruitment.

Medina is slumping lately, but has been generally productive this season. Good thing we were patient with him and allowed him to develop. Pirlo wasn't here for what he would bring on the field. Right or wrong -- we all know why Pirlo, Lampard, and Villa were here in the first few years.