many have not accepted it and left or no longer follow the team. at the same time though, expecting CFG to change is also not realistic though imo despite the nycfc fan complaints
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many have not accepted it and left or no longer follow the team. at the same time though, expecting CFG to change is also not realistic though imo despite the nycfc fan complaints
CFG needed the big names to bring in fans at the start. now that there is a base of fans, they are hoping to build from youthful potential rather than lean on the backs of european superstars on in their final few years.
I think CFG needs a good combination of youthful potential and proven talent. Why can't we go for another maxi type signing? he wasn't that expensive and has been huge for us. He's that older leadership and experience we need but we need a replacement.
I am still hoping for a solid signing to come in the summer. Someone we can all get excited about from the get go rather than having to convince ourselves we should wait and see if the guy is going to be a bust.
I think CFG needs a good combination of youthful potential and proven talent. Why can't we go for another maxi type signing? he wasn't that expensive and has been huge for us. He's that older leadership and experience we need but we need a replacement.
I am still hoping for a solid signing to come in the summer. Someone we can all get excited about from the get go rather than having to convince ourselves we should wait and see if the guy is going to be a bust.
Like I said, just because CFG doesn't do something one way doesn't mean we should just say "that's the way it is". That's not how things change. Am i saying it will change? no. But still resistance is better than full-on "okay fine whatever do what you will"
The problem with this is that CFG is wildly successful with Man City. So clearly they can do it right, find the players, spend the money, and win, year after year, and they keep winning even after the best players retire or move on. So bottom line I don't really think CFG is most of the problem but that instead perhaps MLS is more to blame. The weird rules, the salary cap, only three good players allowed per team, etc., all MLS shortcomings. So the league wants complete team parity, but instead we get a second-rate league, where all the best players try to leave for Europe as soon as they can. Not saying CFG is pure and good, but the real problem here is MLS.
if CFG is as so good, they should be able to work within the rules of MLS. Other clubs in the league have managed to sign big talent and be successful, grow their team and brand. I think our squad is not so bad.. we've just been really frustrated that we keep falling flat on our faces when it counts. But we've been consistently one of the best teams in the league and have finished high in the table the last 4 years. All that is missing is that extra bit to push up to the finish line to lift the cup.
What kind of player or players will do that for us? That's CFG's job to figure out. Personally, I think it starts with a good coach. I was really happy with Dome even during the #domeOut period. I saw what he was trying to build. I don't see that with Ronnie but I hope he can prove me wrong. The guys we are signing right now are guys to fill out a roster.
We need a name to build enthusiasm, not just with supporters but with the squad as well. Players who play along side someone who they KNOW are super talented automatically feed off them and gain confidence. It is not everything, but it sure helps.
I don't disagree with any of your points, I'm only saying it's the rules of MLS that are the problem and are stifling the league and perhaps soccer in America. What we pay our players is laughable when compared to the top leagues of the world, for example, and our offset schedule doesn't help either although admittedly that's maybe a harder problem to solve given our winters. And there's stupid stuff like four charter flights per year, or however many it is. It's like the league is set up to make sure that none of the owners lose any money and nothing else matters.
Not really sure why I'm on such an anti-MLS rant today but hey, thoroughly enjoying it for the moment.
to me in sports you have your voice for change with your wallet and many said no more and are not spending it or watching games etc. CFG probably has much less revenue than in 2015 and other off the filed stuff has not helped and yet still has not changed. we can still criticize on and on and that is fine but with these type of owners it aint going to change ( we can all hope year over year) much until they pull out.
i mean look at the knicks, we all know dolan is a terrible owner and he wont change his ways, and yet we all still watch and follow the knicks ( at least i do even though i have gone only to one game in the past 10 years) even though they have been terrible for decades. im sure the jets/ giants to an extent and even mets fans - pre Cohen had similar situations with their owners.
maybe im just cursed that many of the teams i follow have terrible ownership and its corrupted my mindset
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i dont know, i mean yes MLS rules affect the roster build up but its not like CFG didnt know about it before they got into the league. in terms of CFG successful with man city, yes they are but that is their prized team they will pull all the stops to make them successful. Similar to how red bull probably go all out for Leipzig. everyone else is more of a satellite for scouting talent for them to use in man city or just have them out on loan and make money there at least it feels that way.
I find this discussion somewhat confusing. We have more points over the past 5 seasons than any other MLS team. Sure, some of our signings have not worked out, and we've not had an MVP caliber signing other than Villa and (to some extent) Maxi. But with CFG scouting, we have brought in some really good players here and had a lot of success.
I think people are down on DP signings of Medina and Mitri. The value vs. performance of GMS and Gudi signings. Berget? I know people love love love Parks and there are some analytics that have been put out there to support but dude seems to disappear on the field or look awkward to the eye at times. Jury out on Cacha. I think fans are looking for and expect dynamic signings that gets attention like:
Top 10 inbound transfers of the 2020 MLS season | Greg Seltzer | MLSSoccer.com
Seltzer: Top 10 transfers of the 2020 MLS season
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I broadly agree with this -- and I think we're going to be better than some others on here believe. People want the flashy names, but this is still a damn good roster. There are some holes and we're not challenging for the Supporters' Shield with the current roster, but I do think we're still a playoff team.
the thing is.. we don't just want to qualify for the playoffs.. we want to win the cup.
i for one am not satisfied with merely being a "playoff team". I want to be champions. Saying that we are not challenging for the SS is basically saying we aren't good enough to win the cup unless some fluke, crazy shit were to happen in the playoffs (which does happen, but we can't rely on that).
It funny how I come out on different sides of this debate depending on context. But 2020 is an unfair measuring stick for NYCFC signings. In 2020 we had zero open DP spots to fill, and chose to roll over almost the entire squad that earned 64 points in 2019, which most of the fanbase approved of. There were no opportunities even for a major GAM/TAM signing. Then, as disappointing as 2020 turned out, and missing Maxi, Heber and Mitri for extended periods, and we still finished ahead of half the teams on that list. Make a list like that for each of 2017, 2018 and 2019 and you would likely find Maxi, Ring, Tinnerholm, and Heber on it, with Parks and Mitrita as honorable mentions (Mitrita scored 8 of his 12 goals in the second half of 2019 and seemed to be poised for better in 2020). That's a very respectable crop for three years, and, as mentioned, led to 64 points in 2019.I think people are down on DP signings of Medina and Mitri. The value vs. performance of GMS and Gudi signings. Berget? I know people love love love Parks and there are some analytics that have been put out there to support but dude seems to disappear on the field or look awkward to the eye at times. Jury out on Cacha. I think fans are looking for and expect dynamic signings that gets attention like:
Top 10 inbound transfers of the 2020 MLS season | Greg Seltzer | MLSSoccer.com
Seltzer: Top 10 transfers of the 2020 MLS season
Now in 2021, this year's transactions are obviously far from done based solely on the extremely low number of roster spots filled. I don't think we're even half done, maybe not even 20%. It is frustrating as hell, but there are 2 open DP slots, plus GAM/TAM and even base salary cap room available from trades that has not been used. Until we see how those are handled, the grade for 2021 acquisitions has to be incomplete.
I think some people are worried a lot about the "When" of those spots rather than the "what", which i can understand to some degree but there's so much context around it as well. If they wait until the summer and then sign two amazing dp signings, great. If they do that but sign two "Who?" players, meh. etc. ... but does that still get an A if they're great, but happened late august?
NYCFC will be a playoff team and lose in the first round. That more than anything else is this team’s identity.
So fine, it's frustrating like I said, but right now there's a fair amount of:
Point A: We have no signings and will probably screw up in the summer.
Point B: But if we do well in the summer then you're wrong.
Me: Congratulations. You're both right per your preferred imaginary universe. Now go home and get off my lawn.
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What you’re describing has happened more often than not since we’ve been part of the league.
Success is more than not getting fired. Making the playoffs saves your job. A trophy and a stadium is the mark of success for this organization, in my opinion. I understand that's a high standard, but we're big market with deep pocket owners, and this is sport. Fans watch for drama and glory, not mediocrity with twinges of hope routinely dashed.
I hear that.
The 2020 signings link was for exactly what I prefaced it as “like”. We could look at 2019 signings and I still think there would be names (Pozuelo) that are examples of what I think fans who complain about CFG Are talking about.
I’m not sure the players you listed fit the bill of what people are expecting. Ring? Tinerholm is good but is that the type of big signing NYCFC fans expect from a organization like CFG? Hebert? I loved him in 2019, let’s see what he can contribute moving forward.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just saying the expectations of many fans are that CFG should be able to find and sign a Zelaryan, Joao Paulo, Pulido, Pozuelo, Vela...
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