The problem with that call is that he had his back to the play so one could claim he wasn't actually all that involved with it. Yes, his arm was outstretched, but you can't say he was trying to touch the ball with his hand or arm because he was facing the other way. On the other hand (sorry!) none of that matters in a sense. His arm was away from his body and not in a "natural" position, and he was in the box. So clearly a handball for a penalty. The reason is took so long was that it's potentially debatable as to whether the ball just happened to hit him without him knowing anything about it. I think the deciding factor was that even though he had turned his back on the ball he was still actively defending, and in addition his arm was outstretched. So yes, a lot of possible room for interpretation, and a good few looks for the ref to actually decide to reverse something that had happened quite a while ago and that he allowed to play on.
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It was laughable. Tinner told the Ref twice it hit the arm. But for the VAR guy, I cannot imagine it is any harder than hitting the equivalent of the 5sec reverse button on a cable remote - and it was obvious on replay the arm was extended out & away from the body. That needed no time to review.
If the arm is away from the body, it’s a handball whether the player intentionally played it or the ball hits the hand/arm. The only time it’s ok (ie the ball played the arm) is if the arm is tucked to the body whereas not adding outstretched “mass” to the player to make him bigger.
I saw the whole thing from behind the bench. One of our assistants kept screaming at who I think was the VAR guy (or some asst ref) standing by the scorers table. And then he made him turn around and look up at the Jumbotron. He then called something in on his earpeice. Then we had a stoppage by our goal. And the ref took a minute and called for the VAR.
I like the relationship forming between Berget and Villa. When Medina scored and everyone else went to hug Jesus, Villa went to Berget for a nice cuddle.
You will see referees call "ball-to-hand" in the box, even where the arm is outstretched. This could happen if the player wasn't making himself big in reaction to the play and didn't have time to move his hand away from the ball being played.
In this case, I think it was a good penalty call. The defender only had his back to the ball because he was turning away from the shot. In other words, he had time to react to the shot being played and was actively moving in reaction to that shot. It was a shot heading toward the goal that deflected off his outstretched arm. That's a penalty, and the fact that it was bad luck for FC Dallas doesn't really enter into it.
In this case, I think it was a good penalty call. The defender only had his back to the ball because he was turning away from the shot. In other words, he had time to react to the shot being played and was actively moving in reaction to that shot. It was a shot heading toward the goal that deflected off his outstretched arm. That's a penalty, and the fact that it was bad luck for FC Dallas doesn't really enter into it.
That’s not correct application of the rules and why defenders will close down an attacker with their arms glued to the sides of their bodies or across their chest. Being “big” in any way is not a natural position and the defender has the responsibility to always move his arm/hand out of the way or a foul/PK is justified and expected.
I think the rules are frankly a little unclear on the subject. Certainly any defender thinking clearly will tuck in his arms to avoid a penalty like the one Yedlin got in the Copa America or that Kaka got against us last season. That said, there are plenty of situations where a referee declines to award a penalty because he judges the arm to be in a natural position, notwithstanding that it is away from the body, or because he decides the play is "ball-to-hand" - such as our game against Dallas last year or (if you can bear to remember it) Torsten Frings against the USA in the 2002 World Cup.
Ben Sweat on the Team of the Week? Really?
He wasn’t even the best defender on his team (that was Ibeagha) and he’s one of the best 3 defenders in the league this week? Huh?
(For shits and giggles I looked on the Audi index to see if that swayed the vote...nope, he had 149 points).
What I most remember about Sweat was his sliding “tackle” where he slid right past the guy with the ball and let him walk in clean on goal.
Huh?
He wasn’t even the best defender on his team (that was Ibeagha) and he’s one of the best 3 defenders in the league this week? Huh?
(For shits and giggles I looked on the Audi index to see if that swayed the vote...nope, he had 149 points).
What I most remember about Sweat was his sliding “tackle” where he slid right past the guy with the ball and let him walk in clean on goal.
Huh?
I was surprised too.
It just means the writers just vote on offense. He had a nice pass to spring Villa loose on the first goal.
It just means the writers just vote on offense. He had a nice pass to spring Villa loose on the first goal.
I still don't understand the "ball-to-hand". Every handball I've ever seen called was ball-to-hand, save for Suarez in the WC against Ghana.
Any word on who was visiting Medina? It was clear that he was signaling someone (family?) after his goal.
I love how Villa always soaks in the crowd energy after his goals.
Berget is very nicely rounding into form.
If PV had balls, he would go 4-1-4-1 with Ring holding and Medina and Maxi playing between Berget and Tajouri. Villa CF.
75% possession and we run teams off the field.
If PV had balls, he would go 4-1-4-1 with Ring holding and Medina and Maxi playing between Berget and Tajouri. Villa CF.
75% possession and we run teams off the field.
Maybe so. But one of our assistant coaches was screaming at whomever was standing by the scorers table smacking his arm and pointing at the jumbo. It wasn’t till he turned around and looked that he called something into his earpiece. Maybe to the VAR room?
There’s very little bite in that lineup besides Ring. Need Herrera.
Berget was fantastic last night with hold up play. There were several times where Dallas pressed the back line and we were forced to play a long ball, and Berget did a great job of collecting it.
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