Your Honest Thought's On Mcfc And Cfg ?

[PrezIke]

I suggest you watch this and think on the words Soriano says throughout:

This was the dream. Obviously, every word spoken here was a lie though.

I actually can't watch it where I am now, but I'd appreciate you responding to my responses about us being a "farm" team and the uniform issue you both commented on rather than redirecting the conversation away to this issue about Soriano and MCFC's "lie."

But, sure I'll try to respond. You really have never heard of a sports organization "lying" before? You are from NY right? Several Knick fans expressed frustration with Phil Jackson as "lying" to them about the direction of the team when he took over as Prez and then we were suddenly the worst team in the NBA. This happens ALL of the time, so you are kidding yourself if you expect mega-businesses who are effectively "politicians" in how they act, to adhere to some flimsy promise when it doesn't serve their needs as highly as perhaps it once did.

That's the deal with the Lampard situation, and I'm sorry if that hurts some of our fans feelings. We are not at the level of MCFC so sorry, that's just how it is. We are lucky that other mega clubs won't be able to so easily poach our players if they become good enough, and at least they have a better shot at being at our parent club, under similar leadership and coaching styles.

You do know that this happens ALL OF THE TIME with players from lower leagues? Jozy, Adu, Yedlin, etc. are all testament to this, and yes, one big difference with the MLS, which is a benefit, is the DP aspect where you can offer players wages far higher than similar level leagues. However, young players with potential need to play in higher leagues to improve. This is why Klinsman is so angry about Bradley being in MLS, or any other player he thinks would benefit from playing against stiffer competition. It helps your growth. Money is one thing, but glamour and fame also matter, and until MLS has a better crop of players from the U.S. come up it will likely be as it is.

I don't expect that to remain this way forever, but right now we do have a youth development problem in the U.S. so having such a club with great coaching at all levels is hardly a negative.

Gotta see the forest from the trees, bro.

Peace.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

Being a version of a "farm" team should not be a problem when the level of quality in MLS is a few levels below the Premier League. Over time though the hope is clearly that this will not be the case. Soccer continues to grow in the U.S. but for now that's how it is.

Having similar uniforms for teams that are linked is also very common around the sport and around the world. Red Bulls have the practically the same uniforms as Red Bulls Salzburg. Are they also saying the same things as some of our fans?

You knew that there was a link when you decided to become a fan, I am guessing, so I am a bit surprised that this was not considered, as I think others, including myself, expected the uniforms to be the same, and for NYCFC to be what is called a "feeder" club or "farm" club to MCFC from the get go.

I gotta bounce, so not able to respond to everything else, but let's start there...

Peace.

Here's the thing.

It doesn't bother me that we have a round badge and that it fits uniformly into the CFG family. In fact, I very much like the badge.

It bothers me that they couldn't be straight-forward and truthful about what it is, especially, in light of all the other things they were dishonest with.

That's my problem. They feel the need to lie and trick us as fans at every turn. It's very bizarre.
For the full list of my grievences click here (If you're Dan or anyone else tired of my grievances, don't click here)

Spoiler

-Don't tell me we had a choice on badges, when in hindsight, it's pretty clear what the plan was with the family of badges.

-Don't tell me we're going to have a unique identity in our uniforms and then give us the perfect Manchester uniforms.

-Don't tell me Frank Lampard is on loan til the end of the December, no wait, the end of ACON, no wait, June next year. Oh and they dropped the bomb with a little tiny update on the Manchester City website on New Year's Eve night. Like no one would notice. Cowards. lol

-Don't tell me it was only a loan, then say, "oh, that was mistake by the marketing department, he never was with NYCFC at all!"

-Don't tell me making the playoffs was absolutely critical when you pull the Frank Lampard fiasco and dump Pirlo on the team when he has no place on this team and is a major defensive liability.

Now the good news is, and why I stay on, is that organizations change, people within the organization change. Nothing is inherently bad or good. So maybe some day this blind squirrel of a club might find a nut.

 

[Seth]

What I post is simply the truth that others seem desperate to ignore. You can't fight reality.

It's not that you're not allowed to disagree or must be prancing-in-the-daisy-meadow-with-happiness about the team, it's that you're proselytizing, saying *only you* are right about things. Nobody is saying you can't have your opinion about how things have gone down, and in truth we can't really completely know many of the details as we're "merely" fans watching the team. What you're doing though is condemning people who disagree.

You can't go into your local bodega and curse out the owner because you think they're charging too much for milk, even if they *are* charging too much for milk. But you can choose not to shop there. That's what has a lot of us puzzled, why you're such a fan of that deli but are taking them to court for their milk prices. If you don't like the deli then shop at the one across the street, but I think a lot of people are starting to get tired of you standing on the corner and shouting at everyone who walks by about how sucky the deli is.

You can dislike/loathe/hate things about the team as much as you want to, but I think you have to at least be civil here on the board. You're not speaking the truth, you're yelling out how *you* see the truth. There's a huge difference.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

I actually can't watch it where I am now, but I'd appreciate you responding to my responses about us being a "farm" team and the uniform issue you both commented on rather than redirecting the conversation away to this issue about Soriano and MCFC's "lie."

But, sure I'll try to respond. You really have never heard of a sports organization "lying" before? You are from NY right? Several Knick fans expressed frustration with Phil Jackson as "lying" to them about the direction of the team when he took over as Prez and then we were suddenly the worst team in the NBA. This happens ALL of the time, so you are kidding yourself if you expect mega-businesses who are effectively "politicians" in how they act, to adhere to some flimsy promise when it doesn't serve their needs as highly as perhaps it once did.

That's the deal with the Lampard situation, and I'm sorry if that hurts some of our fans feelings. We are not at the level of MCFC so sorry, that's just how it is. We are lucky that other mega clubs won't be able to so easily poach our players if they become good enough, and at least they have a better shot at being at our parent club, under similar leadership and coaching styles.

You do know that this happens ALL OF THE TIME with players from lower leagues? Jozy, Adu, Yedlin, etc. are all testament to this, and yes, one big difference with the MLS, which is a benefit, is the DP aspect where you can offer players wages far higher than similar level leagues. However, young players with potential need to play in higher leagues to improve. This is why Klinsman is so angry about Bradley being in MLS, or any other player he thinks would benefit from playing against stiffer competition. It helps your growth. Money is one thing, but glamour and fame also matter, and until MLS has a better crop of players from the U.S. come up it will likely be as it is.

I don't expect that to remain this way forever, but right now we do have a youth development problem in the U.S. so having such a club with great coaching at all levels is hardly a negative.

Gotta see the forest from the trees, bro.

Peace.

Here we go. Time to reach for the straws and do the mental gymnastics to rationalize away the truth.

I'd love to hear what exactly Jozy, Adu, or Yedlin have in common with Lampard-gate beyond going to another team.

I follow a lot of sports, I'm well versed in the art of throw away sound bites and saying a lot but saying nothing at all. Or saying "this player isn't for sale!" then turning around and selling him the next day. Yeah, I get that "lying." But those kinds of lies are more for other clubs to get the best deal possible than targeting their own fans.

It's the level of deception that CFG has engaged in with their fans, and that can serve no purpose greater than deceiving their fans, that is something I've never really seen before. Things they don't even need to lie about, like their uniforms, but they go out of their way to lie about anyway. It's just weird.

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

I just can't comprehend why you'd support a team when you feel the way you do. It literally makes no sense at all.

 

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

I am a Chelsea fan. I don't feel like I choose them; I feel like they chose me when I was first getting into football. I fell in love with them for many reasons. Amongst these reasons was the fact that they had been bought by Abramovich. I am 100% in favour of super-rich owners buying teams. This winds up serving fans' interests best -- crucially, it serves not only the interests of the fans of the team in question, but the interests of all fans.

Super-rich owners serve everybody's interests by pushing weaker owners out and forcing them to sell their teams to operators who have the ability to compete. For example, Man City's old owners could no longer compete in the Premier League; they were forced to sell to Thaksin Shinawatra, who then sold to the Mansour group. This elevates the level of competition in the whole league.

So, while I am not a City fan, I have enormous respect for them because they, under their current ownership, represent what is right about football. If Chelsea cannot win the league (and it is pretty clear that they cannot do so this year), I hope that City win it, because their championship would further promote that phenomenon which has been dubbed by its terribly misguided opponents "modern football".

When City's ownership was revealed as being behind NYCFC, I was very happy. And I was proud that such a quality ownership group wanted in. I can see now that this is what made me finally break with my dismissive attitude regarding MLS. And, despite my being a Chelsea, I had no problem with City's owners owning my team. As I have indicated, Abramovich and Mansour are essentially on the same side of history (that is to say: the right side) when it comes to football and to sports in general.

And then when they signed Lampard, I was completely estatic. This showed beyond any doubt that the owners of NYCFC were serious. Of course, the decision to keep Lampard in Manchester through the end of the Premier League season was disappointing. However, after a second's thought, I realised that, given the big picture, this was a perfectly reasonable move for the defending champions to make. I also realised that everyone at NYCFC should have forseen this eventuality, and should from the beginning have announced Lampard as a summer arrival. That simple move would have avoided all of the fan anger; it would have spared us all of those ridiculous exaggerations which poured forth from some NYCFC fans, and which have become a kind of groupthink for a certain deluded and self-pitying segment of our fanbase.

NYCFC's link to Man City has definitely increased my desire to see Man City do well. I don't want them to beat Chelsea; but I do see them as my "sister team". Also, a contempt for Man United is something that Chelsea fans and Man City fans have in common. Considering that Man United have again become strong contenders for the title, rooting for Man City is particularly easy this year.

 

[Mikeylito]

NYCFCFan10, I have a different question than everyone else. Given everything in your "spoiler", now what?

 

[MagnusPax]

I just can't comprehend why you'd support a team when you feel the way you do. It literally makes no sense at all.

Don't lots of fans In Lots of markets hate their owner when their not winning? Just wait whenever NYCFC starts winning and the "ManCity sux" crowd will quiet. In the mean time expect lots of vitriol to be flying until we don't suck.

 

[LeeNYCFC]

I think James Dolan is the worst owner in sports but sadly I have more confidence in him doing things to benefit the Knicks than I do in CFG doing things for the sole betterment of NYC rather than things that also have some benefit to Man City/CFG.
I respect everyone's right to be excited about CFG and Man City. I'm not a fan of either so it complicates my support. I appreciate their pockets and player base, but I'd take the trade-off for a personal ownership group.

 

[mcfc9320group]

I am a Chelsea fan. I don't feel like I choose them; I feel like they chose me when I was first getting into football. I fell in love with them for many reasons. Amongst these reasons was the fact that they had been bought by Abramovich. I am 100% in favour of super-rich owners buying teams. This winds up serving fans' interests best -- crucially, it serves not only the interests of the fans of the team in question, but the interests of all fans.

Super-rich owners serve everybody's interests by pushing weaker owners out and forcing them to sell their teams to operators who have the ability to compete. For example, Man City's old owners could no longer compete in the Premier League; they were forced to sell to Thaksin Shinawatra, who then sold to the Mansour group. This elevates the level of competition in the whole league.

So, while I am not a City fan, I have enormous respect for them because they, under their current ownership, represent what is right about football. If Chelsea cannot win the league (and it is pretty clear that they cannot do so this year), I hope that City win it, because their championship would further promote that phenomenon which has been dubbed by its terribly misguided opponents "modern football".

When City's ownership was revealed as being behind NYCFC, I was very happy. And I was proud that such a quality ownership group wanted in. I can see now that this is what made me finally break with my dismissive attitude regarding MLS. And, despite my being a Chelsea, I had no problem with City's owners owning my team. As I have indicated, Abramovich and Mansour are essentially on the same side of history (that is to say: the right side) when it comes to football and to sports in general.

And then when they signed Lampard, I was completely estatic. This showed beyond any doubt that the owners of NYCFC were serious. Of course, the decision to keep Lampard in Manchester through the end of the Premier League season was disappointing. However, after a second's thought, I realised that, given the big picture, this was a perfectly reasonable move for the defending champions to make. I also realised that everyone at NYCFC should have forseen this eventuality, and should from the beginning have announced Lampard as a summer arrival. That simple move would have avoided all of the fan anger; it would have spared us all of those ridiculous exaggerations which poured forth from some NYCFC fans, and which have become a kind of groupthink for a certain deluded and self-pitying segment of our fanbase.

NYCFC's link to Man City has definitely increased my desire to see Man City do well. I don't want them to beat Chelsea; but I do see them as my "sister team". Also, a contempt for Man United is something that Chelsea fans and Man City fans have in common. Considering that Man United have again become strong contenders for the title, rooting for Man City is particularly easy this year.

Absolutely brilliant post

 

[PrezIke]

Here we go. Time to reach for the straws and do the mental gymnastics to rationalize away the truth.

I'd love to hear what exactly Jozy, Adu, or Yedlin have in common with Lampard-gate beyond going to another team.

I follow a lot of sports, I'm well versed in the art of throw away sound bites and saying a lot but saying nothing at all. Or saying "this player isn't for sale!" then turning around and selling him the next day. Yeah, I get that "lying." But those kinds of lies are more for other clubs to get the best deal possible than targeting their own fans.

It's the level of deception that CFG has engaged in with their fans, and that can serve no purpose greater than deceiving their fans, that is something I've never really seen before. Things they don't even need to lie about, like their uniforms, but they go out of their way to lie about anyway. It's just weird.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in what I meant so it seems like a "straw man" argument. The first sentence you put in bold from me about Lampard is explained in the previous paragraph with regards to the "lie" issue. The latter point in the next paragraph is about pecking order in the world of global football and how if even we develop some young American player that we would not likely be able to keep him. While the DP aspect makes MLS unique and potentially something that could keep and has brought some top/young American players/prospects into MLS, as of now the league is not that great and is a beef Klinsman probably has with the DP rule (it prevents development of American players, by luring some with big money).

Therefore, by having a link to MCFC we could at least have better hope of our prospects remaining with our sister club, which I gather over time more of our fans -- other than those who already support another club (especially in Europe/England) -- might start to support MCFC as well. When Jozy went to Hull, AZ and then Sunderland I was actively rooting for the clubs even when I was a Man City fan. I am sure CFC is thinking the same thing.

I'm sorry if you and others feel deceived. I get the reasons, and I hope that CFC do enough work over time to help change some of our fans' minds, as we aren't exactly nor expect us to become Leeds, Parma, QPR, or Blackpool...fortunately. I see, hear and read what MCFC does in Manchester and their fanbase generally is very supportive of the ownership/leadership now. Sheikh Mansour invested in a poorer part of Manchester via the Academy, etc. and is the kind of owner many fans wish they had:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-should-be-praised-not-punished-for-investing

It's clear to most fans of the game that punishing a club who are pouring money into the game at both first-team and youth level, as well as in the decrepit surrounding area of East Manchester where their stadium is located, is absurd, particularly when their figures quite clearly show a trend toward self-sufficiency.

This summer, the club will open the Etihad Campus, an 80-acre site providing world-class training and medical facilities to players of all ages across the club. They want to produce homegrown talent capable of having a career at the highest level—again, exactly what Platini and his fellow UEFA suits are desperate for.

City have also made attempts to keep ticket prices low and the quality of matchday experience high, resulting in a high level of satisfaction among their supporters. In a period in which fans are struggling to meet the costs involved in supporting their team, City have emerged as the Premier League's torchbearers of fairness.
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CFC have made some blunders at the start with NYCFC, but their track record is strong enough that I have faith in them, and am more than willing to see what happens over time than hold a grudge.

Peace.

 

[FirstTeamer]

I haven't followed closely enough to diagnose what's wrong, but I do root for him even if it means rooting for you.

He's getting over a bout of malaria.

 

[FirstTeamer]

Well, let's see. When the club was announced Soriano was telling ANYONE who would listen, "this is not a marketing ploy. This is a real New York club. A separate club." he uttered the same message when asked, point blank if the uniforms would be Manchester clones or not.

Then we received uniforms Manchester fans dubbed "The best Manchester City uniforms they'd ever seen."

Then Manchester caught eyes for a player we signed and we learned the whole separate club thing was a total lie.

Now Vieira was going to leave Manchester and lo and behold 10 wins isn't enough in New York and we fire our coach after 1 season and surprise, surprise we're keeping Vieira in the CFG family.

The writing is on the wall here.

I half expect the club to be renamed "New York EDS" next year but that would obviously ruin the marketing ploy that they said wasn't the objective of the club but obviously is.

We are a farm team.

Oh and let's not forget, they overrode our coach on a young, electrifying player in Fernando Uribe and saddled us with a 36 year old defensive liability. But hey, he'll sell some tickets and shirts and make some headlines. Who cares if he's not a fit for the team at all?

Yeah, we love CFG and Manchester...

 

[FirstTeamer]

It's true, I don't speak for those that enjoy the turd sandwiches CFG have been feeding us.

Buddy.

Just end it. Fuck off to another club already. You're hatred of anything ownership related is both irrational and annoying. Just go.

 

[Goodfella]

we still on about the home kit? LOL! Anyone who thought it wouldn't look like a Man City kit was delusional. I wasn't crazy about it at first, being a Chelsea fan. but after a year in, ya know what I see? A NYC kit.

 

[mgarbowski]

we still on about the home kit? LOL! Anyone who thought it wouldn't look like a Man City kit was delusional. I wasn't crazy about it at first, being a Chelsea fan. but after a year in, ya know what I see? A NYC kit.

BTW it came up in TimeHop for me: the Jersey reveal was a year ago today.

 

[FirstTeamer]

I think James Dolan is the worst owner in sports but sadly I have more confidence in him doing things to benefit the Knicks than I do in CFG doing things for the sole betterment of NYC rather than things that also have some benefit to Man City/CFG.
I respect everyone's right to be excited about CFG and Man City. I'm not a fan of either so it complicates my support. I appreciate their pockets and player base, but I'd take the trade-off for a personal ownership group.

I can assure you CFG are a better ownership option than Dolan. Any day of the week. Hands down. I don't mean any disrespect but your statement was ludicrous. To think Dolan is a better option than a group that turned a floundering club into 2 time league winners in less than 10 years is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[NYCFCFan10]

Just end it. Fuck off to another club already. You're hatred of anything ownership related is both irrational and annoying. Just go.

Triggered.

So you think the side not wanting to get fucked over by ownership's constant stupidity and lies is the "irrational and annoying" one?

No wonder you're a Manchester fan. Keep the tears coming.

 

[FirstTeamer]

Triggered.

So you think the side not wanting to get fucked over by ownership's constant stupidity and lies is the "irrational and annoying" one?

No wonder you're a Manchester fan. Keep the tears coming.

You're just a bitter hater. You can't say anything positive about the club. Me being a City fan is irrelevant. There are Chelsea, united, Arsenal, Everton etc fans on here who can have a sensible debate without the irrational hatred. Get fucked. No one agrees with any of your posts and you never have anything positive to contribute. You're the kind of guy who could be homeless begging for food on the subway and bitch & moan because someone gave you a jelly donut & not a Boston creme. Get over yourself. CFG is here and here to stay. Find a way to deal with it.

 

[FirstTeamer]

Triggered.

So you think the side not wanting to get fucked over by ownership's constant stupidity and lies is the "irrational and annoying" one?

No wonder you're a Manchester fan. Keep the tears coming.

MANCHESTER CITY fan. Get it right.