NYCFC in the Media Thread - 2021

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a true 9 is kinda of a dying breed across the world though, everyone wants to play the false 9 or have wingers in more of a striker role, but a pure striker they are not.

true 9 is now even considered a "limited" player
 

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Kind of disengenuous to count the FCC game.
you tell that to all the teams that racked up goals and points again FCC.

hell, tell Columbus their wins against them dont count...lol

a whole bunch of people were on the cincy hype train with their new stadium and signings, now that they are not performing ( again) then everyone is off it
 
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you tell that to all the teams that racked up goals and points again FCC.

hell, tell Columbus their wins against them dont count...lol

a whole bunch of people were on the cincy hype train with their new stadium and signings, now that they are not performing ( again) then everyone is off it
just think it is a data point that should be dropped.Drop the worst and the best and that’s who you really are
 

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just think it is a data point that should be dropped.Drop the worst and the best and that’s who you really are
coaching staffs may do that for their xG analysis and analytics to see their performance, but in terms of goals and points they all count the same.
 

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We've played 3 of the 5 hardest teams to score against, and 2 of the 5 easiest to score against.
League average GA/Gm is 1.22.
For our opponents it is 1.19.
Cincinnati gives up 2 GA/Gm when not playing us, which is bad, but closer to league average than it is to the 5 we put on them.

Don't cherry pick your data.
 

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coaching staffs may do that for their xG analysis and analytics to see their performance, but in terms of goals and points they all count the same.
Over the course of 6 months, these things even out. I think there’s a better chance Chicharito scores 25 goals than Medina. But we’ll see
 

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And beyond how much time we spend in attacking positions, isn’t there a stat where we have the most chances created and the worst conversion rate or something?
 

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Over the course of 6 months, these things even out. I think there’s a better chance Chicharito scores 25 goals than Medina. But we’ll see
Who else scores goals from Galaxy? Not many other players. Who else scores goals from us? Taty, Heber, the new guys. We have spread goals around since Villa left.
 
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Who else scores goals from Galaxy? Not many other players. Who else scores goals from us? Taty, Heber, the new guys. We have spread goals around since Villa left.
the supporting cast is significantly better since Villa left. And the scoring threats are significantly worse.
 

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the supporting cast is significantly better since Villa left. And the scoring threats are significantly worse.
We just signed two rated Brazilian prospect attackers who have played a combined total of 20 minutes, so we are all just guessing, but if I had to bet on it I would put my money on Thiago and Magno as scoring threats over Berget and J-Lew.

There was a point during the press conference when someone asked if he was satisfied with the newly signed attackers and he had this smirk before he answered that makes me think these new guys are going to be ballers.
 

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We just signed two rated Brazilian prospect attackers who have played a combined total of 20 minutes, so we are all just guessing, but if I had to bet on it I would put my money on Thiago and Magno as scoring threats over Berget and J-Lew.

There was a point during the press conference when someone asked if he was satisfied with the newly signed attackers and he had this smirk before he answered that makes me think these new guys are going to be ballers.
Don't disrespect the legend of Berget. Would've been great if he was given a true chance... maybe.
 

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And beyond how much time we spend in attacking positions, isn’t there a stat where we have the most chances created and the worst conversion rate or something?
NYCFC is currently 5th in MLS in G - xG per 90 minutes (per fbref)

So, based on that stat, we are the 5th best in the league at converting.
 

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Over the course of 6 months, these things even out. I think there’s a better chance Chicharito scores 25 goals than Medina. But we’ll see
normally yes, but there is always cases where someone is doing better than usual then it turns out that they are that good and consistency remains throughout the year. this is why one needs to keep track of different things
 
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Over the course of 6 months, these things even out. I think there’s a better chance Chicharito scores 25 goals than Medina. But we’ll see
NYCFC had 7 players who outscored Chicharito last year, including not just Medina, but Taty and Alex Ring and a guy who abandoned the team halfway through the season. Your big name goal machine can suck as much as anyone else.
 

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I think this settles the debate as to whether you need a proven reliable superstar top level goal scorer to succeed in the playoffs. Not only do I not see causation, there is not even correlation. Of course, teams who win have reasonably good goal scorers. They would not make the playoffs otherwise. But the link between superstars, top level sustained performance, and winning in MLS playoffs is otherwise just not there.

I went through the MLS Cup winners and runners-up from 2015-2020. I noted how high that team's top scorer ranked that year in regular season MLS. Then I checked how many playoff goals that player scored and the number of playoff games that team played. I also note where that team ranked overall for goals scored during the season. That's the first two tables.

The third table reflects the league's top scorer, how his team finished, and his performance in the playoffs. The last table has the rank of NYCFC's leading scorer and the team rank in the league for scoring

MLS Cup Winning TeamTop Scorer RankPlayer’s Playoff Goals/ Team Playoff GamesTeam Rank Goals (Season)
2020 Crew42/44
2019 Seattle174/411
2018 Atlanta14/51
2017 Toronto81/51
2016 Seattle112/613
2015 Portland72/617

So the league's top scorer won MLS cup once. Twice the Cup winner did not have anybody in the top 10. Four of the six winners had their season's top scorer net less than 0.5 goals per game in the playoffs. Now they might have had someone else score more in the playoffs, but that doesn't support the theory that you need proven scorers to win in MLS playoffs. You do need the good fortune of having somebody, anybody get hot at the right time.
Portland won MLS Cup in 2015 after ranking 17th in goals scored for the season and Seattle won twice without being in the top 10.
And not for nothing, but the Crew's best 2020 scorer who ranked 4th best in the league was Zardes, and nobody thinks he is a build-your-team-around kind of guy (Caleb Porter possibly excepted).

MLS Cup Runner-Up TeamTop Scorer RankPlayer’s Playoff Goals/ Team Playoff GamesTeam Rank Goals (Season)
2020 Seattle32/46
2019 Toronto122/47
2018 Portland293/611
2017 Seattle193/510
2016 Toronto34/67
2015 Crew14/52

Half the teams who made MLS cup final and lost had nobody in the top 10 season scorers. But 4 of these 6 managed at least 0.5 G/Gm. On average, the runners up ranked higher in team scoring for that season than the winners did.

League Top ScorerTeam FinishPlayer Playoff Goals/Team Playoff Games
2020 Rossi - LAFCLost First Round0 (DNP)/ 1
2019 Vela – LAFCLose Conference Finals2/2
2018 Martinez – ATLWon MLS Cup4/5
2017 Nikolic – CHILost First Round0/1
2016 BWP – RBLose Conf Semis (team's first round)1/2
2015 Giovinco – TFCLose Knockout Round0/1

The leading MLS scorer won MLS cup once in 6 years, and 4 times his team failed to get past its first playoff round.

NYCFC Highest Ranking ScorerTeam Rank Goals ScoredResult
2020 – 277Lose First Round
2019 - 52Lose Semifinals
2018 - 117Lose Semifinals (also only playoff series win)
2017 - 26Lose Semifinals
2016 - 21Lose Semifinals
2015 – 46No playoffs

NYCFC had a top 5 league scorer 4 years out of 6. They never got past the conference semifinals and won exactly one playoff round. In 2016 they had the league's second leading scorer and the most team goals, and were blown out in a 2-game series with zero goals scored.

In 2020 NYCFC for the first time does not have a reliable league best level scorer and suddenly that's why we never win in the playoffs.

ETA: 4 times in the last 6 years the team that won MLS cup had a leading scorer with fewer goals than NYC's best scorer.

I'm done with this conversation.
 
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MLS Power Rankings has NYCFC in 4th place but ESPN has NYCFC in 10th, which is interesting because I have been reliably informed that the MLS beat writers and entire digital team all hate NYCFC.
 

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NYCFC had 7 players who outscored Chicharito last year, including not just Medina, but Taty and Alex Ring and a guy who abandoned the team halfway through the season. Your big name goal machine can suck as much as anyone else.
And yet, here he is in Year 2 scoring goals for fun
 

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And yet, here he is in Year 2 scoring goals for fun
how does 2 goals ahead of Medina make him "scoring goals for fun"?

i think it is more concerning thing is that our primary DP is no where to be found on the assist/key passes leaderboard. We need a new playmaker - stat. Maxi is a shell of his former self and unless he somehow turns it around the next few games and regains his youth for the 2nd half of the season, we might be better off letting him sit.
 

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MLS Power Rankings has NYCFC in 4th place but ESPN has NYCFC in 10th, which is interesting because I have been reliably informed that the MLS beat writers and entire digital team all hate NYCFC.
followup to the power rankings.. linked to the timestamp. otherwise, jump to 18:35


Doyle mentions "sebastian rodriguez" looks like he's coming. Think he meant Santiago. but again - i don't think Doyle knows anything more than we do.

It is funny to hear him talk about us and say things like "this team is better than their record says" when he picked us not to make the playoffs beginning of the season... yes a lot has changed since then, but for the most part, many of our new signings have not played much if at all.

abramowitz says toward the end he expects us to pick a DP in the summer and should be a 9 or a 10.
 
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